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Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:38 am
by pandemonium001
even if i have to get them re-build, they where embarrisingly cheap for what they are.
I believe they came from a porsche 996 or 997.
hard part now is finding rear's of equal qaulity to match.

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:32 am
by e21-Mark
I have Escort Cosworth competition rears on MIB. They're very nice and I'm sure I've seen alternatives still available. Just a thought anyway.

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:35 pm
by Mihajlo
i have the vw golf gti mk1 yellow koni setup on the rear

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:20 pm
by pandemonium001
I have been looking at vw mk1 and 2 stuff, plus anything else that looks like it may fit.
e21-Mark wrote:I have Escort Cosworth competition rears on MIB. They're very nice and I'm sure I've seen alternatives still available. Just a thought anyway.
I hadnt forgot you had fitted them, Just purchased a set of AVO adjustables from a escort cosworth to try for now, they are coming with shorter mains and helper springs. AVO only want £25 +vat to rebuild so will send them off and try them, The rear coilovers are the same for the GTX and GTZ kits.
Mihajlo wrote:i have the vw golf gti mk1 yellow koni setup on the rear
What is the ride height like on the rear?? i was looking at the Bilstein B14 or B16 from a vw.

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:04 am
by Mihajlo
pandemonium001 wrote:
Mihajlo wrote:i have the vw golf gti mk1 yellow koni setup on the rear
What is the ride height like on the rear?? i was looking at the Bilstein B14 or B16 from a vw.
This is the ride height if I understod correctly... sorry on my english
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Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:10 am
by pandemonium001
perfect thanks

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:31 pm
by Mihajlo
cheers! :cheers
I'm glad I can help!

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:32 pm
by pandemonium001
Managed to get some more done today,
AVO escort cosworth rear dampers Vs E21 with lower springs
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Build up the front subframe to save the bits getting lost and clear some floor space.
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Rear subframe nearly complete
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On the car for a few checks
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amber and toe plates work well
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Maximum negative camber
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mximum positive camber
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Need to get those arches rolled!!
No brake disc is fitted so the wheel will be pushed out a bit more still
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this is the ride height i hope to achieve but length fo damper at this point is only 16"
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damper length set to 21" the free length of the E21 strut.
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Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:59 pm
by e21-Mark
£25 per strut seems a bargain to rebuild those Avo's. I'm sure you know but, for those that don't, be careful when you roll the rear arches. After a certain point the rear quarters just kink and can ruin the panel. I'm sure with your skills though, you'll be able to get enough clearance. I think Mick @ Pristine managed to achieve 25mm on each side. Excellent to see more progress anyway. :thumbsup

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:02 am
by pandemonium001
Mark, how did you mount the escort struts at the top, my avo units are 12mm rods vs the e21 10mm.

I may strip them down cut them down and re machine the ends to suit the e21 top mounts,
what was the issue with these not fitting correctly?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E21-REAR- ... 0953968867
I may considder them, the camber part is pointless for camber but what it will do is give me more tyre to strut clearance should i need it.
Although would like the rubber mounts for a road car.

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:31 am
by Jason_323i
They do fixed ones as you have to redrill for the adjustable ones, and they can do a 12mm sleeve nut.

Also when running escort rear dampers on the e30 m3 I had to extend the mount up wards (simple welded u bracket) as there was not enough travel and the shock bottom out with the stock mount height

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:19 pm
by pandemonium001
Like this
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Need to get to the scrap yard now. or make some to link in a rear brace as well.

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:27 pm
by Jason_323i
Not that extreme there was no need to turret the rears, the damper fitted through the shock mount opening and two bits of angle, the upright portions with a half hex profile and a bolt hole in the centre and a cap welded across the top flats for a bit of strength.

I am sure a man of your calibre can visualise that.

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:07 pm
by Jeroen
Jason, what about your E21, how's that doing?

Re: Pandemoniums 316 restore

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:12 pm
by Jason_323i
My car is gathering dust, not sure when it will be looked at again as my job here is openended. So unless I get a longer term contract on big money so I can triple my rent and get a villa with a garage not much is going to happen.

At the minute I am tinkering with my caterham in the public car park to keep me occupied.