@Nas, Thanks! Lost of pics to come, this is just the tip of the iceberg!
Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris: almost done
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Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
@Ben, just attend to the Sharknosemeeting, I'll hand it over overthere
@Nas, Thanks! Lost of pics to come, this is just the tip of the iceberg!
@Nas, Thanks! Lost of pics to come, this is just the tip of the iceberg!
Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
I had thought about Sharknose, but it won't fit inside an E21 especially when I'm continuing round Europe for 2000 miles after the Show.
Did you have a price in mind for the roof? and would you mind finding out shipping costs to Letchworth, England? I hope it won't be too expensive.
Regards
Ben
Did you have a price in mind for the roof? and would you mind finding out shipping costs to Letchworth, England? I hope it won't be too expensive.
Regards
Ben
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1982 635csiA (Another Weldathon)
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1974 3.0 csi (The first Weldathon)
1983 316 (Taiga Thunder - S54 Track car)
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1974 3.0 csi (The first Weldathon)
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Hi Ben, with all due respect, but I think it'll be much cheaper to look for a breaker and just cut off the roof yourself. Sending a roof undamaged over to the UK seems like a nightmare to me...
Complete rustfree and nice roof is 50 pounds ex shipping.
Complete rustfree and nice roof is 50 pounds ex shipping.
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Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
And we have a roof again!!!!
Fit it cold and just clamp it on there.

Then some stitchwelds (or whatever its called)

After that the car is put onto the repairbench or straightener and the measuringsystem was put under it.

After measuring it turned out to be 4 mm offcenter, so we had to press the roof 2mm aside. Now its 0mm! BMW had a tolerance of 3mm in the factory, so, job well done!

All straightend out!

Then welded it all.



And on the inside

Putting the hatch back!

All grinded down.


This roof used to have a winddeflector, but thats not coming back, so welded the holes shut.

And now, I have a sunroof!!

Down from the bench, Monday an onther car needs to bestraightened


I’m happy! Nice roof, nice work!
Fit it cold and just clamp it on there.

Then some stitchwelds (or whatever its called)

After that the car is put onto the repairbench or straightener and the measuringsystem was put under it.

After measuring it turned out to be 4 mm offcenter, so we had to press the roof 2mm aside. Now its 0mm! BMW had a tolerance of 3mm in the factory, so, job well done!

All straightend out!

Then welded it all.



And on the inside

Putting the hatch back!

All grinded down.


This roof used to have a winddeflector, but thats not coming back, so welded the holes shut.

And now, I have a sunroof!!

Down from the bench, Monday an onther car needs to bestraightened


I’m happy! Nice roof, nice work!
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On Monday July 4th 2011 we went on with the floor. The previous restauration scared the crap out of us.
What a terrible job they did!!!!!!(sorry, had to get it out of my system.)
The floorpanels a just welded on to trhe side of the chassisbar

No rustprotection whatsoever, so rust everywhere

On the chassisbar there are no of insuffient spotwelds, not welded thru and tru, the outersill is not welded properly, look what happens when you open the door…

Floorpanel dosn’t run over the chassisbar, but is bended in to place en just a few spotwelds

Rear suspension mounts are rotten

And then this is what you get…

What a terrible job they did!!!!!!(sorry, had to get it out of my system.)
The floorpanels a just welded on to trhe side of the chassisbar

No rustprotection whatsoever, so rust everywhere

On the chassisbar there are no of insuffient spotwelds, not welded thru and tru, the outersill is not welded properly, look what happens when you open the door…

Floorpanel dosn’t run over the chassisbar, but is bended in to place en just a few spotwelds

Rear suspension mounts are rotten

And then this is what you get…

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Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
My mechanic also changed roof on his E30, but on the different way..
He did not cut pillars, he only grinded the spots where the roof was spotwelded on the body and cut upper part of the roof where it was joined by factory. When he did that, car looked like E30 Baur
Major job was preparation of the "replacement" roof because everything has to be perfectly aligned.
But I like both ways..
He did not cut pillars, he only grinded the spots where the roof was spotwelded on the body and cut upper part of the roof where it was joined by factory. When he did that, car looked like E30 Baur
Major job was preparation of the "replacement" roof because everything has to be perfectly aligned.
But I like both ways..
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you.
Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
No problem, I thought delivery would be the issue. its not heavy but big and delicate.uwbuurman wrote:Hi Ben, with all due respect, but I think it'll be much cheaper to look for a breaker and just cut off the roof yourself. Sending a roof undamaged over to the UK seems like a nightmare to me...
Complete rustfree and nice roof is 50 pounds ex shipping.
I've still got time before I need a tintop roof, probably 2 years down the line.
Ben
PS Liking the attention to detail of the metalwork
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1983 316 (Taiga Thunder - S54 Track car)
1982 635csiA (Another Weldathon)
2004 330d Touring (The Daily Hack / Tow Car / Load lugger)
1974 3.0 csi (The first Weldathon)
1983 316 (Taiga Thunder - S54 Track car)
1982 635csiA (Another Weldathon)
2004 330d Touring (The Daily Hack / Tow Car / Load lugger)
1974 3.0 csi (The first Weldathon)
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Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
July 7th, 2011, done a lot tonight.
Restored the inner sill. Took out the rotten bits and put in some new metal.


After that we prepped the edges and sprayed them with this stuff.




And attached
Upper and lower spotwelded

And some CO2 welding

Then we put in the the door to check the gap. Nice and straight!


Restored the inner sill. Took out the rotten bits and put in some new metal.


After that we prepped the edges and sprayed them with this stuff.




And attached
Upper and lower spotwelded

And some CO2 welding

Then we put in the the door to check the gap. Nice and straight!


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Some days later we repaired a part of the floor
At first cut it to size

Then cut out the part on the car

Clean it all to prepare it for welding
And dryfitting to measure out the chassisbar.

And again I sprayed it in the anti-corrosionprimer

Then we put in the supportplate



Cleaned the chassisbar and took of all the rust and undercoating and other stuff.

Welded in

Close this gat tomorrow and then this side is done.

At first cut it to size

Then cut out the part on the car

Clean it all to prepare it for welding
And dryfitting to measure out the chassisbar.

And again I sprayed it in the anti-corrosionprimer

Then we put in the supportplate



Cleaned the chassisbar and took of all the rust and undercoating and other stuff.

Welded in

Close this gat tomorrow and then this side is done.

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Saturday July 9th 2011, we had a visit from Pattam2009, Patrick. He also wants to fit his car with a sunroof.

Floor at the right side is done!!
A nice selffabricated piece of floor

Put in.

And then another piece

Grinding and sanding



And put in and primered it.

And after removal of the big pannet we discovered spots like this.


The corner of the B-pillar always rusts. Seeing this, triple plates, it doesn’t wonder me. A strange construction it is.
We had to make the little corners ourselves, because its NLA at BMWs

At the rear also a shitload of filler, at some spots more than 5 mm thick!!!

This it it for now.


And the returning question: what will we replace also??
1 hint:

Took the old roof home.


Floor at the right side is done!!
A nice selffabricated piece of floor

Put in.

And then another piece

Grinding and sanding



And put in and primered it.

And after removal of the big pannet we discovered spots like this.


The corner of the B-pillar always rusts. Seeing this, triple plates, it doesn’t wonder me. A strange construction it is.
We had to make the little corners ourselves, because its NLA at BMWs

At the rear also a shitload of filler, at some spots more than 5 mm thick!!!

This it it for now.


And the returning question: what will we replace also??
1 hint:

Took the old roof home.

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Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
@ Ben: this is the way you can take it home!!! Just return to the Netherlands of your way back from the Alps! I'll drive up to Breda if you want.
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Re: Uwbuurman: 1978 323i polaris
It's amazing work, will keep checking posts, beautiful welding work too.
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Well then… on Monday June 11th, 2011 we went on with the right sidepanel.
We took of the wheelhouse arch, but that was in so bad a shape that we needed to replace that.


Here we need a new flange (is that the right word for it? Is anyone reading this anyway?)
On the inside some rust has to be cleared out

Repairing of the B pillar:
Cut out the bad parts

And put in a new piece of metal

The we fitted the sidepanel, cut it to size.

made some cornerpieces for the rearsidepanels


At the rear some rust has to be cleared also.

Old joint between rear and side panel

Tomorrow we will repair some more little spots ant then the sidepanel can be fitted on.
We took of the wheelhouse arch, but that was in so bad a shape that we needed to replace that.


Here we need a new flange (is that the right word for it? Is anyone reading this anyway?)
On the inside some rust has to be cleared out

Repairing of the B pillar:
Cut out the bad parts

And put in a new piece of metal

The we fitted the sidepanel, cut it to size.

made some cornerpieces for the rearsidepanels


At the rear some rust has to be cleared also.

Old joint between rear and side panel

Tomorrow we will repair some more little spots ant then the sidepanel can be fitted on.
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We made the wheelhouse arch flange thing…

And welded it inn


Repaired the frontside of the wheelhouse

Tomorrow we’ll place the rear side panel.

And welded it inn


Repaired the frontside of the wheelhouse

Tomorrow we’ll place the rear side panel.
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And the right side panel fits!!
But before welding it on, we repaired the bootfloor/rear wheelhouse
nice work!

It goes in here

And in

Then prepped the new panel


To have and watertight joint it needs to be glued already, lateron you can’t reach it anymore

The used to spotweld this about 10 times, but with the proper glue it needs only 4

And it’s on!
Gap between the door and the sidepanel

Wled to the roof and the spotwelds

And the fit to the booth floor

But before welding it on, we repaired the bootfloor/rear wheelhouse

It goes in here

And in

Then prepped the new panel


To have and watertight joint it needs to be glued already, lateron you can’t reach it anymore

The used to spotweld this about 10 times, but with the proper glue it needs only 4

And it’s on!
Gap between the door and the sidepanel

Wled to the roof and the spotwelds

And the fit to the booth floor

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